Talk:Charles Bliss

Not Dead
There is no particular proof that Bliss is dead. Bliss is told that he needs to get out of the General Assembly during the mission, the helicopter is noted to have been leaving 'half-assed and full blast' before it returns, leaving plenty of opportunity for him to get off of it, and there's no communication from the helicopter, at all, during the fight, by voice OR radio, despite being able to intercept any communications from the LMB earlier. Ergo, no proof of Bliss being dead, and plenty to suggest he isn't, not the least being that he is a very useful enemy for later in the game.85.229.56.88 21:16, April 14, 2016 (UTC)
 * Here is confirmation from the dev stream https://www.twitch.tv/thedivisiongame/v/57806812?t=44m10s Sgt Frogman Message Wall:Sgt Frogman


 * Sorry, but a community manager, on a twitch stream? Isn't the most reliable of sources. On the other hand, IF Bliss is dead...why is it that there are no yellow/gold drops from the mission? All named enemies are, according to the 1.1 patch notes, meant to give a GUARANTEED high-end. Yet, there is none. The two mini bosses do drop high-end (Raptor/Domino), but the helo does NOT. 85.229.56.88 01:12, April 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'd believe a twitch stream more than you. You reason is that the helo drops purples so Bliss isn't dead? I believe he is, mostly because the endgame screen says HE IS DEAD. Well the one I come across aleast. --Captainkyle456 (talk) 12:52, April 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * And so, logic isn't part of your life, then? 1, Bliss has time to leave the helicopter, since it leaves before the Assembly Hall fight(with Domino) and returns after. 2, there is no communication FROM Bliss during the entire fight, the helo is in fact suspiciously silent. 3, Bliss is never explicitly noted as being in the helo, except by Benitez, who isn't on site. 4, ALL named bosses are supposed to drop high-end, as of 1.2...but the helo doesn't. And 5, it's a game, the 'oh he turned out to be not dead after all' twist is VERY common.
 * Opposing this? A comment over a twitch stream.
 * Essentially, saying that Bliss is SUSPECTED t be dead, is fine. To say that he is GUARANTEED dead? Is opinion. And while this isn't the big Wiki, they are meant to be about verifiable, certain things. Bliss being dead or not? Isn't that.85.229.56.88 11:20, April 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * This wiki is about presenting the known facts not speculation. Anyone could speculatively come back from the dead but until that the known facts change it's not worth putting it in the article Sgt Frogman Message Wall:Sgt Frogman